(freestyle rant) Investor reliance and DHF treasury trap: Opt-in ads, subscriptions and paid reddit-style awards would not be the end of the world for Hive. DHF devs and witnesses need liquidity, not a zero sum game.

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How can Hive support itself without being a zero sum game? We need to keep funding developer teams but we can't rely only on people buying HIVE (participation) and HBD (debt) for that.

Every time I think about Hive it hits me how harsh it is the reality that to fund the DHF proposals we need people buying HIVE to support the price. Yes, the DHF was funded with tokens from the fork etc... But when the funded DEVS NEED TO SELL to pay their salaries (in fiat, one way or another), servers, teams etc... For it to be sustainable people need to buy the tokens they are selling. There is no way around it.

Now imagine we enter a bear market in such a low market cap... The DHF teams will need to keep selling to fund whatever they are building, but who is going to buy?...

The DHF risk being a treasury trap, a constant source of sell pressure. It is necessary to grow the ecosystem, onboard people, develop new apps... But also it is dangerous at very low volumes, low liquidity and low market cap....

This is the reason we need to leave the zero sum game mentality behind. Hive needs opt-in ads and subscriptions. I would more than happily opt-in to see ads on my favorite Hive frontend if I knew that the ad revenue would be used, even if only half of it, to buy HIVE and support the price. Price support is extremely necessary to support the ecosystem.

I do believe that even under a heavy price crash, HBD depeg and difficulty financing teams through DHF fund due to low liquidity on the off-chain markets (to sell tokens for fiat so devs can get paid and survive) still some teams will keep this running, but seeing our market cap so low at what could possibly be the beginning of a bear market scares me.

# A few ideas I wrote down freesyle

  • opt-in ads on frontends, using part of the ad revenue to buy HIVE

  • opt-in subscriptions, where a part of the subscription is paid in "cashback" as HIVE and the user gets perks

  • awards, like Reddit, where users can burn HIVE to award posts and comments they like

  • promoted posts where the HIVE is burned (or partially)

  • market integration, so people can sell products, services and do business on Hive

  • affiliate marketing done healthly, without multi level stuff, to generate volume and maybe burn commissions

At this point anything that can drive up either HIVE purchases or burning is helpful. DHF distribution must continue, but we can't let it become a treasury trap, and for that we need demand, market cap, volume and most importantly liquidity.

I think I bought 1000 HIVE a few months ago and powered up, that felt like doing my part, I don't even spend that much money on any subscription service but bought it to support it. We can't expect people to buy to profit because that would relying on investment for financing, that is fragile, it has worked for years but is fragile. Hive can't expect users to keep investing to fund development, where does it end? That would be a zero sum game without some other source of revenue.



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Thanks for sharing your insight! Maybe we can star testing some of the alternatives you proposed in the @hive-br community. I'm not a developer but I believe that with the advance of vibe coding and no code platforms (or even AI agents and assistants) could make it easier to deploy dapps and/or something like that. Keep safe, thanks and good luck again!!

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I myself considered implementing most of those. You are right that with vibe coding they are doable, the difficulty would be the business side. That is why I even titled my post "freestyle rant", I wouldn't dare saying "this is what should be done and how to do it"

I just have a general sense that ads, subscription, (reddit style) paid awards, shopping, affiliates, etc.... May hold the key to unlocking post-investor Hive monetization, ending the musical chairs game that HIVE buyers play. But then in practice how to do it? That is a business centric decision more than technical

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Explicando melhor e em português sobre a ideia de adaptar suas sugestões em benefício a comunidade @hive-br caso não seja possível implementar de forma geral, seguem alguns comentários.

_ A comunidade Hive-br poderia ter um front-end específico em português, assim como a turma do @skatehive e seu https://skatehive.app

_ Como sugerido, neste eventual front-end Hive-Br poderia ter espaço para publicidade pago com tokens Hive ou outros definidos. Quando não contratados poderia rodar o Google Adsense ou programas de afiliados como o do Mercado Livre ou Amazon

_ Contas de membros (pagantes ou cadastrados) poderiam ter acesso a uma área de governança/comunidade com direito a votos e propostas, como uma DAO, inclusive decidindo a evolução do front-end da comunidade

_ Prêmios e afiliados poderiam ser gamificados, com usuários ganhando medalhas e troféus ao atingir fases ou métricas, eventualmente integrados a recompensas e bônus extras em tokens

_ A área de lojas e ecommerce poderia tb ter uma visualização por mapa e geolocalização, incentivando estabelecimentos locais e de vizinhança

_ Os recursos podem ser implementados de forma gradativa, priorizando itens que tenham retorno mais rápido ou maior potencial de atrair novos usuários e simpatizantes.

Coincidência ou não, discussões sobre a evolução da comunidade Hive Br aconteceram nos posts Uma colmeia não produz mel pensando no preço do pote no mercado e A Brazilian Prose: For difficult times, Hive please, com o @shiftrox, @wiseagent, @fernandosoder e @tekabybrasil. Valeu!!

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Boas ideias meu amigo, na verdade até temos um frontend, mas ainda tem muito chão pela frente para desenvolver e melhorar o site. Convido os meus amigos @mengao, @rimurutempest, @gwajnberg, @tokenizedsociety e muitos outros para conversar, podemos pensar em muitas coisas e tentar implementar

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O que tem no frontend por enquanto? Tem algum repositório com o código? Como tá indo?

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Você pode conferir nesse link aqui: https://www.hivebr.app/, dá para postar e ver posts longos, snaps, carteira, profile, digamos que tem um básico para intermediário nele.

O @mengao que fez ele e até disponibilizou o código genérico para quem quiser fazer frontends e o código do nosso hivebr também está no github, mas não sei em que pé parou.

Ele está bem ocupado por agora, então não sei bem como está o código, mas se você quiser entrar no nosso discord (não sei se você está nele) fica mais de boa para conversar, o pessoal mais ativo está lá, podemos trabalhar juntos e pensar em soluções.

Nosso discord: https://discord.gg/5jdBH54M

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Eu acho uma boa ideia, mas infelizmente acho que não teria muito efeito fazer isso em um front tão nichado quando seria o nosso. Isso teria que ser adotado pelos grandes pra ter algum efeito

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I think those are good ideas. But I also feel most of that has been atempted without success already. It could have been poor implementation or a multitude of reasons so it could be worth it to track down the people who done that and learn from their experiences

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