Open Letter to @GrumpyCat
Open letter to @grumpycat
Dear @grumpycat
I have noticed your fight in Steemit one week ago.
What you were proposing was :
- There are people who are milking the system by sending their payment close (3,5 days+) posts to upvote bots and get immidiate cash return
- There are bots that are allowing these old posts to be upvoted.
And you started a fight against these bots by flaging the posts that they have upvoted.
Perfect, that is also what I would do if I had your weapons.
- Getting immidiate cash by upvote is abusing the system by taking the money out immidiately which normally should stay inside for a couple of days and be shared.
- The usage aim of these bots should be a promotion system to get your content out of crowd and make people see it.Not earning easy cash by following ROI.
Then I saw people hurt because you have flagged their posts that are just fresh, even less than one day old.
I was still thinking that your intentions are good.
The road so far
So I started developing a tool that you can use to show you the correct target.
This tool is a webpage that analyses the bot voting time and the post time of authors posts.
With this, you would be able to see which post is older than 3,5 days and you would flag just the right person.
The milker...
I started to comment on the victims posts as below example:
Lucky I was, I got your attention.
I was more than happy when you upvoted my post about this webpage.
That was almost the same amount I received from @utopian-io bot.
Additionally you requested me to add another property:
This is two times happiness, using this tool innocent people were saved.
Then, at your post I read these words :
Yesss...@grumpycat will start caring about the innocent people and will give us a supportable fight.
I replied you back :
These are important words :
The main difference between a hero and bully is code of ethics. Be a hero and let us follow you, be a bully and you will find resistance!
I started working and in 3 hours I finished the update on the webpage, now it gives you the links. You are able to reach directly the "milkers" posts with a click.
I was hopeful...
Today
I started to check your activity. You can feel the dissapointment I had, when I saw the results.
My bot analyser can be used to analyse bots but it can also analyse you.
You have downwoted 15 posts that is upvoted by @boomerang bot.
7 of them is absolutely correct according to 3,5 days rule.
8 of them are fresh posts, even there are posts that were couple of hours old.
Innocent people...colletaral damages of your fight...real people that only wanted to get their voice heard.
The result of analysis of @boomerang bot is :
There were more than 30 targets that are not following 3,5 days rule but you have chosen the innocents.
@grumpycat, you are in a position of being a bully with all these 500k+ SP.
You can change the bot system, you can stop people "milking" the system but if you do not stop hurting innocent people you will find a resistance and I will be the first one that will resist.
I supplied you the proper tool for this.
- I may be small in SP but I have courage.
- I am here as I am, no other account, no other voice,no supporting whales...just @firedream
- You have the power to stop my voice but you can not stop a resistance.
- I have never been a victim of you but I have lived enough to distinguish the unfair from fair and I learned to resist.
Once again,
Use your power with justice and let us support you in your fight against MILKERS
Keep on hurting innocent people and let us all think that you are not trying to change the system but trying to supress other bots in favour of your supported bots-just "conflict of interest" war.
The first one makes you a hero, the second one just a low life mob leader!
Show us the real @grumpycat.
FD.
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Of people like you is that you learn, go ahead!
Thank you @bignene.
My post have less than 1 day .
https://steemit.com/resteem/@dumitriu/free-first-10-user-last-post-resteem-76-to-1200-stemmians-please-be-original-if-not-i-will-not-resteem-your-post
I promote one service and I do not have any steemians unhappy of my services.
The true is this @grumpycat want to make chaos here in stemit.com with 2 mil $ .Also he promote his post with bot with 100sbd 50 sbd 100 steem and we do not have right with our money to promote our services?
look here how much spend to promote his posts https://steemit.com/@checkthisout/transfers
Maybe was angry because a lot of boots can't accept once 100sbd, or 100 steem and want war with some boots but hurt people.
Please report him to steemit admin for abusive flag on a lot of stemit account because he must pay us money for our damage.
steemit admins can't do a thing. It a decentralized social network. Also @grumpycat did say he will buy from the bots so that no one else can abuse it.
I have the same PROBLEM, my post is fresh! And I lost lots of money because of that flag! @grumpycat please have a look one more time!
https://steemit.com/busy/@chefskills/i-would-like-to-say-that-i-love-my-crazy-life
I report it to steemcleaner for abusive vote flag
Thank you so much!!!
@grumpycat flagged my 22 hours post, i don't understand what he meant by a winner and still. have the fucken gods to upvote his comment on a flag post he did,
my post was only 22hours,or not even up to, can you beat that? , i want my voice to be heard cause the post that he flagged was the promotional song i did for steemit i want it to trend that was the very reason i boasted it and i got flag for promoting steemit with a song the next morning i posted it. @steemcleaners should kindly look into this, and give us the innocent ones justice,
i will resteem this post.
thanks for helping us fight for justice @firedream THE MAN ABOVE IS YOUR GUILD, YOUR POWERS ARE STRONG 💪 💪
Report him at @steemcleaners for abusive flag I'm in the same situation and we ask to pay us all 100.000$ for abuse us.
I did speak with @steemcleaners , they said that they dont even know who owns that @grumpycat so they cant help right now.. IDK what to do next
this is so bad and Hurt, how can't you keep the rules you make, you said post that stays 3.5 days get flags when get upvoted by paying for upvote. how the hell can you explain flaging a post that was posted on its 13hours or below @grumpycat or you are doing this for cheap popularity cause its all unfair and you still went ahead and hit on a picture saying CONGRATULATIONS, ARE YOU THE LUCIPHER OR WE SHOULD WAIT FOR ANOTHER.
cause your good deeds are hypocritical.
Correct
That is awesome that you put a tool together to help. I've been following the steemit drama a little and I feel like they are all hypocrites, especially grumpycat. It's refreshing to see someone actually talking action to make it better. Great job @firedream !!!
thank you @justjessica The people hurt here are not just letters on the screen...there are real people behind them. Something must be done...
FD.
You are all heart!
i've also been watching - it's like an interesting social experiment - the mayhem that occurs when a large community, that involves an economy, is mostly unmoderated.
I thought the same thing!! It is like an insane social experiment.
We need big whales to notice your project, I already contacted @surpassinggoogle
Thank you for your help friend...
you have the best ideas for this community ! I am glad to be of any help :)
This seems like a good place where I can expose that @grumpycat is actually using the reward pool and intentions to fix it as a shield to do mischief with the reward pool.
@Grumpycat Uses 6th Day Voting Bots
Let's analyze @grumpycat History
These are 13 days old, but at the time they were 6th day voting bots and @grumpycat was actively using them.
@grumpycat abuses the award pool with round-robin and self-votes
Many of @grumpycat votes are just voting for @checkthisout useless posts. @checkthisout then votes back. They're all the same person.
This is 2 kinds of abuse on the award pool by the same account and people are in love with this guy. The injustice cannot continue.
We will all keep an eye...
Trying to read all said on the subject, @grumpycat has got a point.
Proof of brain is the keyword here.
As I said, I support his cause but I object to the blind bully methods he is using. Just carefully selecting targets would justify his fight and he will find support.
FD.
@grumpycat is part of the problem. @grumpycat is using good intentions as a shield so people do not investigate wrongdoing.
@grumpycat isn't just blind bullying. @grumpycat self-votes and uses the same tactics the account is professing to fight against and abusing the reward pool. This is NOTHING GOOD about what @grumpycat is doing.
Even if @grumpycat was beyond reproach
This is the wrong way to go about it.
It's abusive use of a downvote
Downvote is intended for steem curators (you and I) to adjust the payout for content to acceptable levels.
Who determines what acceptable levels are? We do. The curators NOT @GRUMPYCAT
Does not Target the Problem
The problem is voting bots and users that abuse the reward pool. These tactics (even if @grumpycat targeted abusers) does not discourage voting bots in any way. People will still continue to use them and abuse the reward pool.
What is the real answer?
A community of curators
That is correct. @steem needs to be @steem. @steem can take care of itself. It doesn't need heroes like @grumpycat that break the system worse trying to fix what is broken. If @steem is so bad that we need @grumpycat, then it's not worth fixing.
@r351574nc3
LOL @grumpycat is a PART of steem, just like you!
Again with your steem hatred - Y U HATE STEEM SO MUCH BRU?
Like you told me a few days ago "I say why don't you let the voting bots destroy the reward pool and let the community fix it" and I asked you then, HOW? How will the community fix the bot problem, ie paying a whalebot for a huge ROI, and calling it 'post promotion', in the future, if not now? You offer no solutions, just more whining. The system is not going to 'break' if people use bots less to steal from the reward pool.
By the way, grumpy doesnt need to hide behind good intentions, nor does grumpy have to do any of this, he could simply self upvote and call it a day.
I may agree with you, this is a part of steem but we also are a part of steem.
The community is not regulated but it is made by humans.
There is and there will be always someone to raise a voice against injustice.
Whining is a way of saying what is unfair.
If everybody accepts injustice without whining for sure any system will be corrupted and broken at the end.
FD
That's a fallacy. If you like hamburgers, but don't like onions. Then, someone serves you a hamburger with onions even though you don't want them, you do 2 things:
That's all that's happening here. Bru
LOL. I am offering solutions. You have but to just read a little lower silly man. https://steemit.com/life/@firedream/open-letter-to-grumpycat#@r351574nc3/re-firedream-re-r351574nc3-re-firedream-open-letter-to-grumpycat-20180119t195210332z
Further, this is not whining. I am simply exposing @grumpycat because people like you don't see it for what it really is. I mean, you praise @grumpycat for attacking users of voting bots to fix the pool, but ... @grumpycat uses voting bots.
I'm just trying to set you and the world straight here. You think there's justice, but underneath the hood, it's just more greed. I don't get why you mindlessly justify this.
Your arguments are just fallacy after fallacy. Let me quote myself here and just say:
Guys like you that insist @grumpycat is important to @steem are breaking it. If you really think @steem can't do without @grumpycat and that @steem couldn't have fixed itself, then @steem is truly broken and doesn't deserve fixing.
^^ that's not hate. I love @steem. That's just logic.
BTW and now we come to understand why good intentions are the shield. Your brain can't reconcile passed:
I'm not sure whether you're lulled into this sense of thinking or you're just too lazy to dig deeper, but if you do, you find that @grumpycat may have an interest in harming others not voting bots.
My theory is that @grumpycat is not trying to eliminate voting bots, but rather, divert users to specific voting bots.
I see no solution to the bot takeover besides curation by whales - that is called a grumpy. I see you offer no solution to the problem, your link goes nowhere - if we dont fix it now -who will later? I see grumpy as the ONLY person taking a stand against this reward pool abuse that we are calling 'post promotion', even if its coming from an antihero and is harsh to say the least. Your hamburger analogy makes no sense- please stop writing essays that have no meaning. Or maybe, you mean - grumpy is picking out the onions and warning others that onions will not be tolerated under his watch. Again - I ask - if we let bots destroy the pool as you suggest, what will fix it in the future? Again I ask, if grumpy is a curator, why does grumpy curating mean the system isnt worth fixing. Please refrain from quoting yourself or Yoda.
@firedream I actually think you are doing a great service in this, and I applaud your fine efforts, I dont see this post as whining, you offered and developed a fine solution to what you saw was a problem, even if it isnt having the desired effect as of yet, it keeps the ball and dialogue rolling. However - if people dont want to be downvoted, then stop using bots to game the system - this isnt a warzone, it people trying to gamble on a ROI, and losing ... solution: build community and good content instead of paying for a service to hype you. And as always I applaud @grumpycat, because, again, with that kind of steempower, they dont have to do ANYTHING, let alone fight this kind of fight.
It does go somewhere. STEEM has a bug that doesn't include the comment part of the url in the link. Just copy/paste or scroll down. LOL. Don't be lazy.
whales are not the solution. That's totalitarianism. That's censorship. You don't know if @grumpycat has your best interests in mind. If there's someone out there that has your interests and would vote the way you do, you can just delegate your SP to that user if you want. That's what delegation is for.
@steem already has given us the tools we need. WE are the answer. NOT @grumpycat.
@grumpycat doesn't speak for me. @grumpycat is gaming the system and is part of the problem. You may think that @grumpycat is curating, but what @grumpycat is doing is raiding the reward pool. So no...not my support.
Huh? It does. If you order something and you don't like it, what do you do? Ahhhh...
LOL. You need to get out more. Lots of people are doing it. All it takes is one person (could be you) to rally steemians.
That's another subject altogether. Setting aside whether the reward pool is even being destroyed. Let's assume it is for your argument's sake.
@grumpycat is destroying the reward pool TOO
Again. Not the solution. @grumpycat self-votes and uses voting bots (probably runs a voting bot as well)
This is what you're suggesting:
From now on, please form actual arguments. Not contradictions.
excellent video
thank you
I just have to answer this. I am quite literally just responding to points in your comment (some I actually skip). I cannot help that I am capable of formulating thoughtful structured arguments instead of
Sick burn! Also - way to downvote my comment that @firedream upvoted to somehow prove your point that grumpycat shouldnt flag people that are using bots to self upvote.
So your solution - let me get this straight - is for me to delegate my SP to some as yet unnamed person who will then flag people who use bots? Why would I do that as 1- I am a minnow, 2- grumpy is already doing it.
Your argument: whales are not the solution, delegate your SP to a whale, it's up to curators, whales are not curators... and I am the one being contradictory?
And again I asked you to suggest a solution to how we will fix this in the future if we let the bots destroy everything , and your response: @grumpycat is the bad guy!
Great thoughtful structured argument! Actually, you convinced me - as you said - let's let the bots destroy the reward pool, and if anyone acts against it, then the system isn't worth fixing!
I'm sold.
No. That is not what I said. I said to give SP to someone you trust as is suggested by the delegation instructions. Someone that will vote the way you want them to vote (like a voting bot LOL. I guess that's a whale. You can always trust it to vote the way you want though.)
https://steemit.com/steem/@blocktrades/voting-abuse-and-ineffective-curation-a-proposal-for-blockchain-level-change
Build your own whale, but no, it's not contradictory. It's what I've been saying since the beginning, you just have bad reading comprehension.
WE ARE THE ANSWER
There. It's huge and bold. Not sure if that helps. Maybe.
After this, I'm muting you.
Sorry for not answering this, but unlike @grumpycat, I use downvotes appropriately. I simply adjusted your payout what I believed it was worth. Unlike @grumpycat, I didn't do it because I thought downvoting you might aid me in getting electricity to Puerto Rico.
How a Downvote Should be Used
Grumpy is not helping anyone, how is attacking innocent accounts and them upvoting himself for 160+ dollars helping anyone? He is just using "good intent" as a mask to divert and deflect attention from the fact that he is more guilty of the behavior he is downvoting than the people that he is downvoting.
How is giving himself such a rediculous upvote helpful to anyone but himself??? This is greed, pure and simple, and you are little more than a sheep if you can't see it for what it is.
As I have said before- grumpy doesnt NEED to flag anyone or fight bots or anything, they could just self upvote and call it a day. And all the self upvotes are now being used to counter abuse in the system.
Happy flowers
I have a theory that he is trying to monopolize specific voting bots, so that he is the only one to be able to claim rewards for bidding on them. Let's not forget the fact that this is the SAME PERSON as @rewardpoolrape and @ieatrewards. it's all the same guy, jerking himself off, manipulating the reward pool so that he is the only one who can get rewards, because he will flag anyone who doesn't agree with him. This behavior
will be the death of the platform. this guy is going to single handedly destroy the platform and the value of STEEM, and when the tokens are worth only pennies again, there won't be anyone left on the platform but him and all of his alternate accounts to sit and continue to jerk himself off...
wonderful post
wonderful post
Agreed. The voting bots are spamming up the system, but blind downvoting doesn't help. Something smarter is needed, especially if the abusers have 20x more SP than those trying to fix the system. People need to get organized, on something like Busy. And deal with the spammy bots, perhaps by organized upvoting, which also redistributes just as well. No?
I think what you propose would lead us to some kind of a moderated system.
We can have and we have in steemit such systems, best example utopian.io.
Personally, I believe in freedom. If a person wants to share just one picture with a word he should be able to do it.
I am also tired of spam, mostly promoted spam but I can not figure out a solution without touching the freedom that makes steemit a great place.
I want to see steemit for everybody, not only for some intellectual elite because everybody has a story to tell and I am happy to read these stories.
If the price of this is some spam, let there be spam...but what must be prevented is abuse and promoted spam.
FD.
Oh, I basically agree, regarding freedom. I, too, like Rothbard.
(I actually think Utopian has too much moderation. Too much in the sense that, paradoxically, using that platform for open ended MIT media lab sort of projects, say to implement a formally specified algorithm with Steemit participants is not currently supported by Utopian, while making a logo or a bot or solving a bug is supported. Due to the specific wording of the moderation rules ... oh, well.)
...
Rather, what I suspect we need is a loose organization involving a threshold couple percent of the user base that stubbornly only upvotes high quality content. And coordinates timing. Merely in addition to Steem as it currently does exist. Basically, it involves using renormalization for something positive for once..
What do you think?
Moderation, which restricts freedom, actually won't even work, and I am not suggesting it. We need organization, which is something more general. They are not binary. (0 1) is neither greater nor less than nor equal to (1 0). There are also the options (0 2), (1 3), etc.
It simply exceeds the budget (including time) for the majority of users of the platform to search the platform for quality content. If a search costs 1000000, to review even 1 percent of the posts, and the user has 100, then even if they use 100% of their budget to search for quality content that is not trending, and a search that finds quality content that is not trending requires 5 percent of the posts searched, then most of the time any investment in search is wasted. Users don't search much. This leads to positioning rather than search. King.com spends 100 million promoting games that costs 150 thousand to make each. If almost all budget goes into promotion, then quality is almost never achieved.
Moderation involves 100000 users banding together, giving 50 each to moderators in the organization, to search for them while they do other things and give above threshold results.
This however fails, too. Why? Simply because moderators delegated to in any such organization can promote whatever they like, in the end of the day. Which is not necessarily the best, or even good. It's not like users, who delegate to them, can do any better, or even check what is going on for the same reason that most individual searches are below threshold. Such moderation typically opens up users to instability of outcomes and risk. Freedom and decentralization is needed for quality. It's the only system where any possibility of recourse or feedback exists. Agreed.
Users themselves must curate, but a critical number of them must do so with timing organized. Otherwise vote buying will always outbid them. 50 votes in 1 minute are not the same as 50 votes over 2 days, when collusion and vote buying are in the mix, and users cannot search and positioning, not search decides what most users have access to. When amidst the hugger mugger of collusion and vote buying and worse, flagging wars, the same 50 honest votes whose timing is off have no effect, except where they are by sheer coincidence arriving at near the same time. Which is too infrequent.
Curation is currently too weak. Microeconomic in effect without macroeconomic effect. Perhaps we need to improve organization of timing of existing curation, that's all. Not implement moderation or restrict freedom, yes, even to spam, in any way.
As it is, I had trouble finding even that your (200 points) post in all the soup! Two days went by! Out of seven! Do you see what I mean?
Very vice words @tibra.
I would not agree more on your "treshold quantity of users" to trigger improvement of quality content.
Current curation method in steemit is "follow the money" instead of "follow the content" and it is assumed that money should follow the content but it does not thanks to purchased upvotes.
Search of good quality (this is also a relative subject)will always be outnumbered by earning money.
Any attempt of curation will be too weak according to this factor.
There are good curation attempts like @sneakyninja who pays 1 SBD directly to the curator for undervalued posts.link to @sneakyninja
What he is doing is awesome and should be supported.
Guess more curators like him is increased, people search for good undervalued content and get paid for finding them.
( I am not sure I know how the economy works on this...)
This may be a good solution.
It is good that you have found my post...
FD.
It's good that you posted. (And that @grumpycat resteemed and it was read widely enough.) You pointed out the problem and took steps to solve it, by declaring what you consider strictly unacceptable.
As mentioned, a small but unbudging minority of a few percent ends up deciding what the majority does, thanks to asymmetries, costs of nonstandardization, etc.
Many people agree, but until a few reveal clear stances most are is unsure about that. So everybody takes a wait-for-others-to-do-something approach. And the others take a wait-for-others-to-do-something approach. They are unsure whether anybody agrees with them. So nobody does anything. Everybody waits for everybody else. Yeah, they go far like that. All that until a small minority begins to speak, clearly, about their stances. (This is why anybody who wants to prevent change suppresses freedom of speech.)
Furthermore, people are more likely to do what they believe, if they or somebody else says it. People are shy, and afraid of others finding out what they think. Predictable means vulnerable. What they think is revealed both in their communication and behavior. If they or somebody publicly declares a thought, they are more likely to do what they already believe, even though they believe it no more or no less than before. Rather, because everyone already knows what they think, or other people reveal they agree with what they think, they see no additional harm in behaving honestly according to what they think. Which is what is needed!
I will further look into @sneakyninja. Looks good.
Basically, nobody, including the contributers of upvote proposals, can perform an above threshold search. Each one samples more or less randomly for ten or twenty minutes and what they get is as good as anything they find in an hour or two or three. They start looking in different places.
The Daily Sneak seems like a good project.
By having many individuals sample the stream of content and submit individual upvote proposals, the variation in which content is seen and evaluated is much larger. In this case, it's that of the sum of as many random variables as curators, not just of one. And it's multiplied by a constant, which is larger as the diversity of categories and accounts where different contributers start looking is greater. How much that translates to a higher probability of finding quality content, I would have to think about some more. It depends on how quality content is distributed, clumped on Steemit. Which is an unknown factor. The less clumped, the more probable it is for sneakyninja to upvote quality content missed by most users. If he's having some success, it's probably not too clumped at the moment. The fact that voting is then done by a larger account, an all at once bump, is good.
Maybe a hundred Daily Sneaks, operating uncorrelated, then comparing approved proposals, before voting around the same time, is going to be good enough for higher quality to appear to regular users. That will bring more people in, and with more people seeing quality content, more expensive to spam unlimited.
No, what he is doing is NOT good for the platform, or good for anyone. How is this
good for anyone other than grumpy cat making out like a bandit? selfvoting to 163 dollars a bullshit comment of "Rubbing it in"? This is more harmful to the platform than any of the spam posts he is downvoting.
I doubt @grumpycat used randowhale to downvote himself, that doesn't make much sense..
No. That's @randowhale doing the right thing to stop the reward pool abuse. Sure @grumpycat gets downvotes, but it's not enough. The account has just too much STEEM power.
SO shut your mouth power up and do something about it besides whine like a bitch all over steemit about how you can't profit from buying votes.
Sounds like the only one whining is you. I'm just exposing @grumpycat. If I couldn't buy votes tomorrow, I'd be fine with that personally. That's not what this is about though.
You're not exposing anyone. @grumpycat is not hiding. Every flag incoimg or outgoing is a win-win. You don't seem to understand the game is all.
LOL. I think you're not the one getting it. Unless you are @grumpycat and you're actually inside that head, the actions don't line up with what you're saying.
You sure that I'm the one that doesn't understand?
1.) @grumpycat is sucking up the payouts of the vote bots he is using which keeps the shit buying posters at a loss
2.)Every flag @grumpycats gives or receives is a win. He is not flagging anyone not buying a vote
3.) It is not real money until you EARN it after 7 days waiting.
See, you do not understand
NO, you really are the one that doesn't understand.
Please, in your glorious wisdom, explain to me how self voting 163 dollars on a BULLSHIT COMMENT is a win for anyone but grumpycats pocketbook??
NO, you don't see what is going on. grumpycat is hiding behind "good intentions" to blind people like you from the fact that grumpycat, ieatrewards and rewardpoolrape are all circle jerking each other, self voting for ridiculous amounts, and monopolizing a system so that he is the only one that can take advantage of it. How is a comment like this good for the platform???
This is not helpful to anyone but grumpycat getting fat and getting paid for behavior that is far worse than anything he is crying out against. If he actually looked to see if the content he downvoted was spam, that would be one thing, but he isn't. he is blindly downvoting people just because they used a specific bidbot, and then he is using those same bidbots to reward himself, on his posts that have little more "quality" to them than the ones he is flagging. Stop sucking grumpycats dick in the hopes of getting one of those massive upvotes. That's just as trashy as the behavior he is crying out against. Do a little research, instead of just blindly following what this jackass says, just because he has so much steempower.
I never said he was hiding behind good intentions. He is just fucking over the correct users who abuse the up-vote bots and cost every other person trying to get noticed their bids.
And yes he invites anyone and everyone to down-vote his post as well as he rubs it in your face he is scamming the scammers. The only people being affected here are scammers.
Unless you feel hundreds of dollars in up-vote bids isn't a fucking scam.
I do feel that the upvotes he gives himself is spam. It is one of the biggest scams on steemit right now. But I provide good content and a valuable service to steemit. I am not the only innocent account to be flagged by grumpy. He has stated himself, he is lazy, so rather than looking to see if what he is downvoting is spam or not, he is just blindly downvoting everyone who uses a bot he says not to. That doesn't help anyone. Blindly downvoting a good post just because they used the same advertising tool that grumpy uses himself? SOME of his flags are a good thing. In fact, a lot of his flags are. The problem is his selfvoting, and though it may not be many, flagging innocent accounts is uncalled for. I have expressed all of this in a couple of different posts. I think we may be advocating the same thing, just from different perspectives. I think there was a miscommunication somewhere. Please, take a look at THIS POST.
It seems @grumpycat has boosted your accounts payouts looking at your blog. Your largest payout to date is riding the @grumpycat bandwagon.
His self-voting is open to flagging.
His 6th day vote buying is just another slap in the face to the bid-bot scammers. Why don't they flag @grumpycat too? Because that would mean they would lose that circle jerk money they pass between their scammy accounts.
Nothing you have said makes sense, this IS DECENTRALIZATION AT IT'S FINEST!
One person imposing their will is not a dictatorship. That is one person making their voice heard with their pocket. To be a dictatorship it would have to be steemit or the witnesses making these changes not one guy spending his own money.
Your kidding me, right? How stupid are you? Where did I get a grumpycat Upvote? What kind of drugs are you on, buddy? I didn't get any upvote from him. You are misinformed. And you are calling my posts "shitposts"? Really? have you even looked at my blog? Clearly not, as you think that my upvote came from grumpy. I agree with you that what grumpy is doing is selfish. You are just trolling for the sake of being a dick and trying to start a fight. Grow up...
@grumpycat, I'm already tired of putting flags on me, I'm suffering big losses, which is not included in my plans. A lot of my posts received flags from him.
I think you misunderstood this comment:
He was not claiming he would go after abusers using the max age and highest sp, he would target bots with the highest SP and highest max age and flag the most ethical users (i.e users who did nothing wrong, and are using promotion responsibly to do the most damage).
Elaborate a little more on why this does the most damage? (Promise not to debate the point. Just want to know.)
I believe his idea is to harm legitimate users as much as possible to force bot owners to change.
Ok. I was hoping it was something less obvious and more complex. Does it work? I mean, I have noticed some bots changed, but I'm assuming it's because it's the right thing to do and not because people have been the victim of a drive by @grumpycat -ing. Is there any data that shows bots have decided to do this for the sake of their users rather than for the sake of the reward pool?
How do you legitimately buy rewards?
We know activity by the largest accounts nullifies most of the smallest accounts.
It's just a fact in the math, when whales vote, everybody at the bottom loses.
Until everybody over 80mvests takes their hooks from the pool we will only see complaints and exits, imo.
I would suggest a sigmoid curve, but I like well behaving whales better than new rules.
That's just me.
Agreed. Btw, is that Emma Goldman in the icon? Followed.
Yes.
I want to believe that I did not misunderstand...Time will show.
Thank you for your work FireDream,
Upvoted, resteemed and following you for more :D
Thank you for your support @icedrum.
Why the chaos?
Delegators, Bidbots, and Shitposters, have all automated the process. They have accumulated immense amount of profits from services that are being used mostly for abuse. Automation would resist change and accumulated profits would ignore short term losses.
If my policy is sound and reasonable they will get no support from the stake that isn't involved in such irresponsible profiteering.
Those powering the operation will be the only one not benefiting from powering down and selling their STEEM as the price will rise back once the chaos stop.
Good luck explaining that to the first two level involved.
In 7 days the next step is to expand scope to anything being upvoted by the stake of the delegators involved.
As announced here: https://steemit.com/steem/@grumpycat/warning-to-vote-buyer-sellers-introducing-grumpycompliance-mandatory-in-14-days-no-post-promotion-allowed-after-3-5-days
You should try to post about your self once a week so people on Steemit have a chance to learn about someone with so much power on this platform. Do you Sell your Steem for USD? Do you have a normal job? Is this how you make a living? Thanks
Till now i notify your damage is about 1.000.000 $ in steemit.com community so your account will gone.
You act like nazi, and you will be in out of this community in some day with all your money.
You abuse us and you will pay.
My post was in 1-st day of life .I do free resteem and others do with money.I do this for comunity about 3 mounth and new people here and old people here are happy with this service.
Why you with your rules "no-post-promotion-allowed-after-3-5-days" flag my post who have max 20h of life?When i promote my post I lose 3sbd i didn't win so where is the profit from the heaven?
thank you
Thank you for your reply and upvote.
This, I personally agree and support to the end :
What i resist is the "method" of you flaging innocent "fresh" posts.
I hope my voice is heard and you will stop this action.
FD.
Not sure how my post was profiteering. Do you just down-vote without looking at users wallet? The bots I used was actually ETHER I had just transferred to STEEM, and you took it. A fair warning to users using the bots would be a decent thing to do. Good luck on your crusade and hopefully you find better techniques to regulate Steemit. Cheers!
When he make 18 miserable mistakes to his own rules, you can no longer call them collateral damage to an honest war that you carry with some profiteers of the system.
This in any democracy is called abuse, a dictatorial leader, in no case is justice, just because he have more power than us.
But I'm sorry to see that the steemit.com system is still not ready to close account for people who do justice at their own discretion in violation of their own rules.
What this gentleman named @grumpycat has done is a grave violation of human rights and I'm not joking about saying these things just because he have some money.
Have a good day my friend @yassine and all the best to you and to Canadian people.
Sir, these IDs are managed by a single person and he posts the only youtube link of other's videos and he earns instant money by getting upvotes from big bots like buildawhale, upme and appreciator. He is a big scammer, sir please stop him. He is rapping reward pool very badly. Kindly check his all IDs. He takes upvotes from bots in a row from all IDs.
@akkisingh
@aqibwarsi
@ashokumar
@asimkhokhar
@asimmalik
@binduchethan
@happyforever
@lakshmishetty
@malikhusnat
@malikidrees
@manoojkumar
@mansoorchaudary
@manvigupta
@mausamitimilsina
@munnisingh
@muzzusingh
@nadeemali
@nidakaur
@princesohan
@ranaraab
@ramesawargurjar
@wajahatali
@siddarthjain
@shubhammathur
@sapnajain
@raziwajid
@rajatgarg
@rajasheri
@rajafaseeh
@parveenkumar
@nomanali
@natkhatnavneet
@nayyersultan
@mohsinnafees
@mohitshivhare
@maliksaim
@mayankverma
@malikamjad
@ijazali
@khuramshazad
@hasnatahmad
@hamzazaheer
@hammadmadi
@hamzaprince
@chumar
@arslanahmad
@chnasir
@ankitgautam
@ankitagupta
@waqasmalik
@umerraja
@steemainfun
@taimoorraj
@srabonisingh
@shawaizrasheed
@shaileshgiri
@sanjeeva
Hey you fucking ass-hat, cut it out!!!
You have 500k sp and are withdrawing cash like an opportunistic fuck!
I work hard at my posts and post good content, and, i never update a post that’s more than 2 days old. With all the money you are making here din’t you have anything better to do than fuck with hard working Steemians who use the very same bots you do?
Get a fucking life you creep!
I'm a little late to this post but want to point out that you left off one more bad actor who has automated the process: Shitcommenters.
You claim that you are doing it because you are helping SBD correction, which is good for Steem. Please explain how that works because it sounds like bullshit based on your actions:
What you don't do:
The results:
* You are raping the reward pool.
* You are rewarding the bidbots you claim to be fighting.
* You are optimizing your personal use of the bidbots you claim to be fighting.
And you do all of this anonymously. 🤦🏻♂️
@grumpycat
How hard is it to JUST freaking go with 3.5 days bot OWNERS?!?!? I'm not using any of the none 3.5 Days for fear of a @grumpycat reprisal! It costs you nothing to change a few lines of code - @jerrybanfield did it, if he can it's shameful you can't.
I absolutely agree. I don't know if it is more than ego...I am almost sure there will be no decrease of income for bot owners.
FD.
how are you puling the data? which lib and api?
it is opensource at https://github.com/firedreamgames/steembotanalysis
FD.
beautiful!
Thanks. There are very good tutorials on steem.js written by @stoodkev.
Just check this link : https://utopian.io/@stoodkev
FD.
Once again great article. As you said my post was fresh and it was my first time using the bots to try to gain visibility so I did not know there was an "approved list". Guess I lost money instead. I love your approach on expressing your feeling in an open letter while bringing a solution. Positives vibes, and yes you are courageous. Keep on and thanks for hitting me up.
bless you for this. saddens me that steemit after all is not even decentralized as the bosses with higher steem powers givea the order here and we minnows with low steem powers obey. 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢
Thank you for your support @yassine
A 1 to 5 SBD upvote will get you trending and if the post is good it will stay trending. @grumpycat is downvoting those buying excessive votes and screwing all of the other users trying to promote their post. He is just screwing the buyers of large bids like the buyers of large bids are screwing everyone else in the group.
Well done for trying to bring some sense to this pointless war of the whales.
It’s no real surprise that your hard work didn’t make a positive change. All of these whales involved in this petty war are abusing the system in one way or another. It’s just frustrating that innocent people are getting hit with flags without reason.
A solution has to be created soon, it’s a bad look for Steemit to have accounts like this going about, attempting to enforce laws that they have created themselves.
Telling people to follow rules that you make up yourself sounds strangely similar to a dictatorship doesn’t it? Is that what we want Steemit to be?
Absolutely NOT! I hope that @grumpycat will return me my money..
I wouldn't hold your breath.
I am not sure if I brought a sense...I am just a minnow seeing innocent people hurt, tried to do something.
I am not in a position to blame whales.
500k+SP is an investment of apporximately 2.5mUSD. It is a bold decision and trust to keep it in the system.
I really don't know how I would behave if i had that much investment.
I have seen people killing each other for much less of it.
FD.
This post was never intended to make money, so I would like to announce that the income of this post (-costs) will be distrubuted equally between the victims of @grumpycat who have fresh posts less than 3,5 days old starting from 18.01.2018, the date @grumpycat should be using the tool to target milkers.
For now the list is :
https://steemit.com/@tobetada/barf-the-best-detergent-powder
https://steemit.com/@onyemacourage/to-nigerians-steemit-is-a-need
https://steemit.com/@ekaterinka/at-last-winter-has-come
https://steemit.com/@chefskills/i-would-like-to-say-that-i-love-my-crazy-life
https://steemit.com/@scosmos/the-competition
https://steemit.com/@cryptolegendhodl/bousdusd-crypto-strategies-top-3-picks-for-winning-long-term
https://steemit.com/@isteemithard/great-link-tools-for-steemit-info
https://steemit.com/@sallybeth23/pizote-in-the-tree-tops
https://steemit.com/@kp138/one-of-my-favorite-photos-on-the-south-china-sea
https://steemit.com/@dumitriu/free-first-10-user-last-post-resteem-76-to-1200-stemmians-please-be-original-if-not-i-will-not-resteem-your-post
https://steemit.com/@laurasusannah/5komne-architecturalphotography
https://steemit.com/@extremejogging/travel-belgium-bruges-part-1-exploring-by-foot
https://steemit.com/@icedrum/space-news-space-weather-europe-alert-quake-watch-or-s0-news-jan-17-2018
https://steemit.com/@kayros/my-sola-digest-17-01-2018
https://steemit.com/@marshalllife/untalented-or-amazing-adjustments-that-have-happened-to-my-life-since-i-found-steemit-audio-and-video-of-the-song-i-did-for-the
https://steemit.com/@yassine/have-you-heard-of-cryptokitties
https://steemit.com/@steemfuzzy/colorchallenge-wednesday-yellow-sunrise
https://steemit.com/@ghasemkiani/english-idioms-1066
FD.
thank you!
Ohh thank you @firedream
I will also distribute earnings from the Grumpy Report to victims of @grumpycat. I have been trying to offset losses with upvotes, but now...
I'm all out of voting power. LOL
thank you for all @grumpycat victims. For me it is more than ethical because the major income of this post came from @grumpycat. So I am just giving what I got from @grumpycat.
FD.
very poetic
First round of payouts. https://steemit.com/abuse/@r351574nc3/grumpy-reports-payouts-ledger
Hello @firedream,
I see that you want to protect the writers that work hard on Steemit to put their articles out there, but I can also see where @grumpycat is coming from. Personally I feel that Steemit would be a better place, if users weren't under the idea that buying large votes is a great idea.
@grumpycat does make a sound point. I understand that Steemians want their voices heard. To be perfectly honest, I feel that the owners of the shady voting services are using genuine authors as a way to cover their deviant activities.
If someone does pay for a big vote and becomes upset afterwards, it will discourage buying the large upvotes in the future. It will help users say okay...
Also the shady services will lose traction and customers. This is a good thing c:
With love,
@shello
Hi @shello, I am totally not against the use of upvote bots. This is normally a promotion service, a paid advertisement.
The only way for a new steemian to get his/her post to be seen is by promoting it.
Also it is a tool to attract new people to steemit and keeping them posting.
What is milking ?
For me, if a person wants his/her post to be seen the good time of using bots should be not more than 3,5 days.
Anytime after that is not aimed to promote the post but to take easy cash early, knowing that even if seen the post will not take more upvotes.
Some may say, "what if the author do not have SBD before 3,5 days?"
For me this is not fair, the author can delay posting instead of buying upvotes at a time close to payment.
Ads is a part of life and it is good to have some kind of promotion services in steemit.
Only misusage must be prevented.
FD.
I agree that curation needs to step up, especially towards new users. I would love to see a new user tab, instead of trending tbh.
New users should be spending their time reading, commenting, and interacting with others instead of pumping out articles and buying votes. It defeats the purpose of learning good behavior on Steemit.
I used to buy upvotes a lot, and I'm lucky that I didn't get punished for using them. However, I feel like if I did- maybe my writing would have improved earlier on.
For me it's most important to learn first, instead of running around trying to make some quick money. Steemit curation has quite a ways to go, and habits need to be instilled earlier on.
You are so right shello! Comments are the key to this platform. Maybe 80% comments and 20% blog posts. That is what creates real connections with other humans. Many are trying to run around make some quick money or be ungrateful already after 1 month. We humans always crave more speed while we would be much better off to slow things down and really take our time to produce real value to others!
Well said. Impatience shall be the end of us. More time should be used on comments especially starting out. IMO, if the site is being used as intended, there shouldn't really be any "bandwidth issues."
A heroic post, I will follow you because of it. Hope to see more great works.
Best Regards~*~
Thank you @quinneaker. I can't promise my works will be great but i can promise they will always be me.
FD.
Honesty is the greatest sign of a hero~*~
nice comment
thank you boss
NP
Great post ,So true @firedream ....i am with you :)....
Thank you for your support @abhishekrawat.
If arguments fail I will assist:
I still belive this will not come to that point. So holster your weapons :)
FD.
Great post tnx for sharing i just upvoted check out my new post steemitalltheway
well come
Happy flowers
I in the first place was supporting him. The cause that he picked was good. I as a new blogger on steemit, was unable to get a quality upvote. Most of my blogs were going unseen and unvoted. hell, even my introduction post did not get noticed. Why did this happen? This happened because every vote was on sale rather than honestly upvoting the deserving. I thought grumpy cat can do some correction. but no. He turned to be an abuser, a dictator. He started flagging even those who were following his rules. Now, atleast some body is talking sense into him.
That is what i defend...
For the first we got good news today from @boomerang that he decreased max age to 2,5 days.
https://steemit.com/boomerang/@boomerang/boomerang-update-maximum-age-for-upvote-link-is-now-2-5-days
For the second, I hope we are having also some achievements, no fresh post is hurt by @grumpycat since yesterday...but you can never tell with a cat...
FD.
@grumpycat keep up the good fight, flag any asshole that sends more than a few dollars to a bot. Anything over a few dollars is for profit and not for post promotion. You are a hero to all except the asshole's trying to make a buck by fucking the rest of us.
Can you blame coca cola for spending 4 billion dollars/year on ads?
Unless it is fresh, people should feel free to invest their money on promotion.
They also should know that, as big as they invest the ROI decreases.
FD.
Ummm....if coke was good they wouldn't need to advertise. Period. Your response is flawed.
it was an analogy :) your response seems fallacy, but I may be wrong ofcourse.
I'm not sure, but I think @ifartrainbows is a troll
Why? Since I don't agree with the troll (you) it must be me?
Of course, there are 6 sided to every aspect of life. You see one, I see another and readers are likely to see others.
Logic. Everyone is not good. I forget which fallacy this is. There's probably more than one.
@ifartrainbows I would like to recommend An Illustrated Book of Bad Arguments
It's great for helping beginners grasp logic and reasoning.
You sound like a little sold puppet. Everyone does it, so it's okay.
Thanks grumpycat! We need more Steem Super Hero action! Go Steemers ...keep fighting for integrity
серьезный взгляд
I guess this is Russian...google translates it as : serious look
Sorry, I did not understand.
FD.
YES
новорожденый котенок
Thanks @firedream! I had 4 grumpy-cat flags in a row this morning — all fresh ones!
Please continue your fine work!
Thank you! @thedamus
This is a terrible post. "Hurt the customer to damage the business" is a terrible way to go about what he is trying to accomplish. It's cool you got a huge upvote from him, way to go, but his comments are not worth the 163 dollar upvotes that he gives himself. These bullshit comments are more detrimental to the platform than the "spammers" using the bidbots. He isn't even bothering to look at the accounts that he is flagging, he is simply flagging them for using the bot, while at the same time, he uses the very same bot to reward himself. Cmon, how can this behavior be good for the platform?
Rewarding himself for saying "Rubbing it in" after flagging the post of an account that is all about spreading rewards to more users and welcoming new users to the platform. How can that possibly be good for the platform? "Hey, I just joined steemit, and this guy that welcomed me got downvoted on his post welcoming me". What person would want to stick around in that kind of environment? How is that behavior in any way good for anyone other than grumpycat? grumpycat is monopolizing one of the voting bots so that only he can use it, and using fear of downvotes to stop others. This is not good for Steemit.....
There is absolutely nothing valuable in what grumpycat is doing. It is merely an attempt to hide his despicable behavior and reward himself.
There is absolutely NO excuse to reward himself that much for such an asshole comment. If he took a moment to check out the content he was downvoting, that would be one thing. But he isn't, he is flagging people blindly who use the very same voting bots that he uses himself. I get what he is trying to accomplish, but the way he is going about it is entirely wrong. I run a contest to great new users joining the platform. If I was a new user, and I saw a "new user support project" being abused with downvotes by a fucking cowardice bully, I wouldn't want to stick around. This behavior of grumpycat is far worse than the behavior that he is crying out against.