RE: Eskom and the Cycle of Debt
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Not sure where the microchip idea came from, as it was not a part of what desteni wanted to create at any point. Bernard pushed people's buttons, so he'd talk about people's greatest fears and sources of conflict. So in things like microchips, he might say he'd want that implemented to push buttons, but that doesn't mean he's actually do it if given the opportunity.
desteni doesn't really have any political agenda. as I mentioned, the focus is on self, practical living, being an example.
At the end of the day the only way that people will change is by people changing on an individual level. I cannot force another to see a point, or change a point. I can share what I have lived, what solutions have worked for me and what solutions haven't worked for me.
Another aspect of the focus of desteni is the principle of as within so without. The world is a reflection of who we are on an individual and collective level, in every way.
Well actually the micro-chip surveillance state was a part of the whole low income grant scheme program that was 'taken from the dimensions'. This was not to 'push people's buttons' by Bernard, this was the practical implementation of the political agenda what Desteni was pushing at the time of its more forceful incarnation.
If you can't remember that, that's a bit sad. This was there. And to say that it wasn't is to gaslight and that's abuse.
So where exactly do you draw the line of where Bernard was pushing buttons and where he was serious with what he was saying then. What you've just said, gives me justification to invalidate anything he has said.
I have taken for myself what truth I could from the experience, and I have moved on.
I do not live in denial to say that Desteni did not at one stage think through the portal that it had the ineffable truth. It really did push this agenda as part of the plan of the dimensions. A completely policed surveillance state was the only way it could be implemented according to Bernard.
Equal housing from birth until death, equal money from birth until death.
Bernard even prided himself as the founder of this grand solution to the world's problems and gloated with it publicly.
It helps to at least admit the past that was there in order to move on.
It's very hard to go back from advertising that you have 'the truth', 'direct from the dimensions' and now suddenly say, we're more relaxed about the ineffable truth than we were before and that truth we're now not pushing like it was ineffable.
It doesn't make sense. Decide for yourself if you can make sense of this.
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The rest of what you say about the individual responsibility of the self is true and it may reflect Desteni's current message.
It is damaging and hurtful to deny its past. And if you truly believe that this agenda was not there. I am greatly sympathetic to the state of mind you have found yourself in.
Desteni was an ugly forceful machine in its first incarnation that hurt a lot of people and took young vulnerable people and manipulated them.
It is very difficult to come back from that.
It also propagated a lot of truth but no movement would have any success without a measure of this. It made its point by shaming the rest of society for doing the wrong thing about starving people then proceeded to bulldoze other belief systems and politics with its ineffable truth from the dimensions.
If Desteni has truly changed, you must acknowledge this past to move forward, otherwise there is no future for the group. It will always be lost in the backwater due to its reputation. Denial of the past is to dis-acknowledge the people that were harmed.
I'm glad that Desteni has 'moved forward'. I hope that's true. Regardless it will have little effect on anything due to its genesis - a need to control a small group of people in order to propagate an agenda.
Bernard was threatened by me. This is why I was cast out. I could see through him. We had many private conversations in email.
He even said to the others that I was the only one that could see, then shamed me with the definition of having 'christ consciousness' as it was a 'bad thing' as part of the (lo and behold!) 'consciousness system'. Then when leaving the sect (yes, Desteni is a sect) he told people in a talk that I would be back in seven years time and that if anyone were to speak to me, they would destroy their 'process'. I later found out from Bella I was meant to have been possessed by the expression of Satan.
It's a convenient way to box a vulnerable person up you perceive a threat. His actions were largely self serving to accumulate and centralize energy he drained from the group while his greatest message was to preach against self-interest. He stated regularly that he used energy of ours that we weren't even aware we had. Just a little contradictory don't you think?
There were definitely times when he was pushing buttons, but I was aware of those moments. He was not pushing buttons all the time. He was deadly serious about a lot of what he said and taught.
He was a man -- not a God, as we revered him. That was the problem.
You cannot deny the past of Desteni. It has an ugly past. If you really want to make Desteni into anything more than just a backwater, this past must be faced honestly. (Self-honesty anyone?)
It has great intentions -- starting points -- it can assist in the greater picture of what needs to be done in this world. But it is not exclusive. Newsflash: The truth is not exclusive to Desteni. The truth is universal to all people if they are so inclined to search for it with an honest open heart. This monopoly on the truth is what was claimed by Bernard through the portal, and this is what caused the imbalance -- causing young people like myself to come see 'a man' that claimed to have traveled the dimensions and see things that others could not -- so we believed him (and we couldn't even use the word 'believe' anymore).
The only way his teachings were useful is if taken into the world and tried and tested as reality or not. Yes, he taught lies with his bullshit. He also taught cold hard blunt truth, which was the main attraction. He like others he bagged, was a 'walking shit-bag.'
Whether or not his existence has had a more positive or negative effect on the bigger picture, I've no idea. He had a dream and this was his obsession. He made a story and through his experiences with channels created a portal (which wasn't a 'channel') -- vulnerable people believed in that story, aligned with it and made it real for them, and thus realised it.
Just the same way as in any other belief system and I've been through enough of them to know.
However...
Your father was a great man for trying something different. Because any change in the earth from what it was, may have been better. Any motivation, fake or imagined, would have been a better thing for people to believe and to move them than to watch them just stagnate, waiting for 'the end of the world as we know it'.
I came to this realisation a few years ago after leaving Desteni. That it didn't matter that what he taught by himself or through the portal was real or not. What mattered was if he actualised change in anything with it.
And did he? Did he have an effect on the greater pool of consciousness?
Within the cycles we repeat over and over, his vision was just part of a wave that was already moving in that direction, yet he attempted to take a portion of the established stream of consciousness and cause it to rebel against itself in an attempt to cease a cycle.
A lofty dream! Completely delusional, blinded by his own ambition but a lofty dream nonetheless!
Many parts of his methods were flawed and cracks started to show. Indulgences were had and he was not perfect.
Many identities throughout history have tried what he tried and failed. It is a sign of absolute ambition and also of absolute foolishness to try and cause consciousness not to follow its own cycle -- by any method. To try and use consciousness against itself to debilitate the inevitable end. He was however, blinded by this ambition and he used all energy within his reserves to create the Desteni movement truly infatuated with its cause.
What a dream! Well done Bernard for sharing with us that dream!
This true dream he taught with what he did and not with what he taught.
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I'm not sure you were the most intimate with his teachings in the early parts of Desteni. You were a bit distant, but completed some administration work. You avoided contact with me, we did not naturally click. The fact that you are listening, at least shows you have some level of independent cognition left in you apart from the group -- an independence of mind that was unheard of in Desteni's first few years.
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What we are becoming is the final portion of the present cycle. All these events are inevitable. What we have half a hope in achieving is seeding a community that survives into the next cycle that causes humanity to be less abusive in the long run.
Here's a song with poetry by Mahmoud Darwish. It has a strong principle hidden in it. It denotes that the cycle will continue if you let it/want it to and a new cycle will be born or... we can stop it, collectively or individually, either is possible. Collectively we create new worlds. Individually we get lost too quickly in our own delusions. Just as when someone dies and sees only the dark, then adjusts to the dark and senses more. The world has changed around them, they are no longer in control of its form. This is why a shift must be done collectively. Through collective momentum, the power of the mind shifts reality. A power so great it can create worlds.
As long as we are pitched against each other, this power is robbed from us. It's the secret of communion. It's the secret of secret societies. It's the secret of isolated sects. Our collective will creates. One person in disagreeance can stop that power.
The dis-acknowledged will always come back to haunt you. Without facing the mistakes, there is no future.
Desteni was about self-forgiveness and self-honesty.
Does that mean, forgiving the self without regard for the other, letting go, forgetting what we've done and then self-honestly saying, I don't remember any of it, therefore it never happened.
This is bad psychology. It's also sociopathy.
Try a little harder Desteni. Try to work with the rest of the world, and the way that it works, because your methods have not worked and are not working. You may still pick up the occasional vulnerable young person searching. But you will never come close to the ambition that you once chartered.
And you continue... in your blind arrogant innocence, you continue...
It's such a hard life when we fail to see what's in front of our faces because we've blocked it out with a universe that no one else understands.
The ultimate victim is the victim that cannot see its oppressor and it cannot see its mistakes -- because it chooses to say, they do not exist... yet bleeds at the wounds of its invisible captors, learning to cope with its blindness... considering that this is just the way life is.
No, it's not. Bernard was a tortured soul and he chose to spread this torture out. You are living an extension of his torture.
You talk about taking self-responsibility and taking these parts of yourself within.
You need to stop claiming to help people, stop 'helping' people and just get on with life.
Because there is no saving anyone.
Yet... you continue...
This is a paradox
And to think I almost had hope that Desteni actually stood for what it said it stood for now.
Thus why this all started amiably.
You cannot blame me being possessed by Satan on my reaction to being gaslighted.
This is a rational reaction from someone that has honestly experienced something and the other claims it was nothing.
This is abuse. And Desteni must stop.